I recieved my FastCam Bolts early this week. Before installing them I wanted before and after measurements of the camber settings. Since at this point my main interest is to improve rearend traction I decided to only install the rear bolts for now. Initial camber measurements taken at NTB were: -0.6 degrees for the left rear -0.3 degrees for the right rear I have now intalled the FastCam bolts in the rear and adjusted them for maximum negitive camber, and will take another measurement before the weekend. Initial test runs around town were positive in that it appears to have improved rear end traction during hard cornering, as the car is more forgiving while breaking in hard corners, but it still seems to break into a oversteer situations very violently, but with the new found traction it is less likely. I will have a more detailed option after my competition this weekend. Enjoy, Bryan Pendleton http://probenet.tripod.com

Overstear? Really? My car is just the opposite. What have you done to your suspension? "Pendleton,

Eibach Pro Springs, 17" wheels with 215/40 tires and Addco rear sway bar. >

You'd think the Addco rear sway bar would have fixed any overstear problems. Are your Eibach springs meant for the SE, or the GT? Ones meant for the GT would be much stiffer in the front than ones for the SE, thus the front would not slide out very easily. Does Eibach even make springs specifically for the SE? I can't imagine wheels making much of a difference in this case. "Pendleton,

Its just the opposite, the addition of a larger rear swaybar reduces understeer but increases oversteer. The springs are specifically for the 2.0L Probe/MX-6 >

The SE and GT use the same set of Eibach springs, although this may have changed recently since Eibach now only lists the GT spring set for all models of Probes 93-97. But when we put Eibachs on we used the 5522.140. Now Eibach did make a 5527.140 which I think was intended for Base probes, with a different front spring rate. Bryan, what kind of tires do you have on you PSE? My brother uses A520's (in the same 215/40 size) and they grip like crazy, im trying to get him on an Autocross course before the season ends, because I dont think anyone in our region has raced on A520, Im curious to see how they do.

Please don't bring up tires. I am currently running with Nitto 450's or something like that. Traction is lousy, period. It is a high thread where rating tire, that just wasn't designed for traction. The Yoko A520 is what I plan on going with for my next set of tires, if they still even carry it in my size by the time I need some more tires. I looks almost like they are replacing the A520 with the AVS's, cause everytime I pick up a magazine their are less A520's listed and more AVS's. Encouraging to know you like the A520's. A few people at the Solo event run them, it seems to be a good tire for the new ST (Street Touring) class, even though BFG makes some better one they cost literally twice as much. Bryan >

How does that work? Wouldn't a larger rear sway bar make the rear wheels 'stick' better, resulting in more understeer? Or do I have it backwards? - So if I were to add a front sway bar from a GT (I have a base) it would increase my cars tendency to understear? "Pendleton,

What do those numbers mean?

A sway bar prevents body roll and weight transfer (from side to side), which is good because the less transfer in weight or the less roll you have the quicker the car can make transitions from left to right Now when you slap a big ole sway bar on the back of a car without balancing it with changes to the front you will typically end up with a oversteering car, because now the front still allows for a great deal of body roll and weight transfer, but the rear of the drives much flater, meaning less weight on that outside wheel during hard corning, less weight -> less traction. The key is to balance things out, this is why I would like to get the PGT front sway bar to compliment the Addco rear sway bar. Enjoy, Bryan >

Those are just part numbers for the two different spring kits.

Hey Bryan, I know this is response is late as hell. But my cousin who had the GT front sway bar, went into that guard rail backwards if that makes since "shrug". ~ Torrienta 2.0L Performance www.geocities.com/Motorcity/1377 "pendleton, bryan p."

Camber is the tires vertical positioning. When you lower a car the reduction in height of the car tends to make the top portion of the tire lean inward. Thisw results in less of the tires surface area in contact with the ground.by adjusting the lean or "camber" you improve traction. -Rob

Bryan, I have the rear sway bar and I noticed the front end would respond after the back. After I installed a front strut brace it fixed the problem. -Rob

Actually with the Eibach Pro Springs my rear camber was nearly 0, which of coarse is well within specs. Actual measurements were like -0.4 and -0.6 degrees, but I have adjusted for more negative camber with the FastCam Bolts, because during harding corning, when traction is really needed the car rolls over to the outside wheels, so with the negative camber your outside tire thread will actually be running flat (providing optimal traction) due to body roll. Note that negative camber is a measure of the tire angle from the neutral vertical position. Negative camber is when the wheels lean into the car, top in bottom out, and positive camber is when the bottom of the tire is in and the top is out. When you drop your car considerably, as many of the honda guys do, by dropping it around 3 to 4 inches or even more, if no changes are made to the suspensison the camber is often grossly negative, 5 or more degreees and I can assure you this amount of camber is not going to help anything. Unless you are running Ground Controls you shouldn't have anything to worry about concerning proper alignment. I simply wanted some rear camber for my solo II competitions, and since the Probe has no adjustments for rear camber, I went with the FastCam Bolts. Enjoy, Bryan >

Yeah, I have been wanting to pickup the front strut bar, but heck I don't know whats available anymore. I had ordered one along time ago, two monthes later I called the "speed shop" and they said the "manufacturer" quite making them. Since then a few more have poped up, FAST, Freedom Design, etc, etc, but I haven't really looked into what is currently available now, or compared the available bars, which I would like to do before commiting. I still have the Road Race Engineering Rear Strut Bar in my garage, but am reluctant to put it in simply because it will probably just increase my oversteering problems. Bryan >

I am sure it depends on how much you drop the car. The lower you drop the car the more negative camber you are going to acquire, and I have no idea how the Probe will respond. Bryan >