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post Nov 28 2001, 10:37 PM
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I have a 2001 XLT Escape. It only has 5,500 miles on it and has already stalled 6 times. The Fords techs keep saying there is nothing they can do, and that it doesn't show up in the computer. They have also told me that no one else has ever complained about this problem. If this has ever happened to any of you, please let me know and if possible under what cicumstances it happened. Mine seems to be when I brake to slow, but it's starting to get scary. Any help or advice on this problem or what fixed it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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post Dec 1 2001, 11:21 PM
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I've had my Escape for just over a year and it did stall on me one time during that period. Just before my 5,000 mile service I came to a stop light and the car simply stalled. Just before it stalled it was idling real low and to this day every once in a while the car still seems to idle low but has not again stalled. The Ford mechanic said it may have had something to do with running the air condition or the heater??? Didn't make much sense, but hasn't happened again. Wish I could be more help.
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post Dec 2 2001, 12:47 AM
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Even though I only experienced the problem once, if it happens again, and they are unsuccessful again, I will start to pursue legal avenues as outlined by my state. I'm guessing you are in Canada but you should still file a complaint with the NHTSA to help the cause. My advice is do document everything for now, and try to hold tight until someone dies from this Ford defect, and some American lawyers sink their teeth into them, and they are forced to fix our unsafe vehicles.
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post Dec 2 2001, 02:44 PM
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It has stalled 6 times and the techs at your dealer say "no one else has ever complained about this problem (to US)" They are ignorant so educate them and yourself so you can get action out of them. Go through the many many posts on stalling of the duratec on Yahoo and Edmunds Escape and Tribute clubs and cut and paste printouts of the best to show your dealer. For example try this one: There is a recent post at Yahoo Escape club site by Escapetek. The solution is replacing a PCM relay in the fuse box under hood. Try tap on it with back end of screw driver, if engine stalls, you found the cause of stalling. He works at Ford dealer , said he fixed many Escapes that way. Also:Have the dealer check the PCM RELAY and IDLE SPEED. Please let us know what they determine is the cause. Also: Simple. You remove the plastic cover from top the engine. Three nuts hold it on. You adjust the throttle stop screw on front of the throttlebody. Mine is set to idle at 800 rpm. Turn clockwise to open the throttle plate. Then loosen the 10mm bolt on the ECM. The connector will push off. Leave off for 5 minutes to RESET the ECM. Reattache the connector and start truck. It will take a couple of days for the ECM to relearn. Escapemax. Also: I am a Ford tek . I am the one that told escapemax how to adjust (Base Idle) We do it all day long ,and it is Fords recommendation to raise base idle to prevent stalling on downhill coast. The IAC is set at approx.35%, which means the throttle plates are slightly open. Some GM and others set theirs at around 15% or throttle plates are almost closed. The PCM has to have a base idle to start with. Adjusted my own Escapes idle to prevent downhill stalling. Any questions feel free to ask .Dan, Ford Master Tek Re: Stalling.. escapetek: To check if your "Base Idle" is set too low ,unplug the IAC when running, if it stalls then base idle is set to low, if it stays running then it should be ok. We set base idle by monitoring IAC air ratios in percentages not rpm.By turning base idle screw (clockwise) lowers the percentage but not actualy rasing rpm unless you turn to much. IAC should be around 35% .Can only monitor with a enhanced scan tool otherwise you are expermenting with air ratios. If you adjust so it wont stall when u unplug the IAC u should be close. Also dirty throttlebodys raise IAC percentages. PCM must not rely on IAC to stay running...Dan<br><br>The two simple fixes are...Base idle too low,simple adjustment,Replacing the EEC relay with one from an Explorer..Fixes approx.90% of stalling problems.Have complete "LIST" of possible causes but have yet run across any that has caused stalling other than the relay and base idle adjustment.ESCAPETEK ,Dan
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post Dec 5 2001, 04:07 PM
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I have had this problem once, at 21,000 miles, we now have about 23,000 on it and it has not happened since. I am very mechanically enclined , but I am unsure of the computer and all of the factory settings. I figured it was a low idle setting because it happened around 40mph and at that speed the transmission shifts out into fourth and the RPM's drop significantly, this would not throw a code or be identifiable by the Ford techs because it is not electrical. They told me the same stories and said there is nothing they could do. They were going to contact Kansas, it has been three weeks and no word. If you think no one else is having this problem go to www.nhtsa.com or .org, and look up Escapes and Tributes, the last time I was there I counted around 100 or so reported complaints of the same problem. Ford will not Recall because I don't really think they know the problem. That is what my dealer has told me. Keeping our fingers crossed because I really like this truck. I wonder if anyone using a performance chip has experienced this because I think it would resolve the problem. If it happens again I will reset the idle speed. <br>Thanks <br>xlsxcape
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